How I Answered a Jehovah’s Witness Couple

kingdom-hall-signI have prayed a long time for the Jehovah’s Witnesses to find my apartment, which is sort of hidden from the road. They found me, and so a married couple came to my house recently to discuss their Watchtower theology with my wife and me. Our conversation lasted two hours, and they went away with three major passages of Scripture to study. A week ago, the husband emailed me and asked me to reiterate my questions for them – and so I did just now. Below is the text of my email to them. I am publishing it in hopes that it will inform and bolster Christians who interact with the JW people. I also pray that any hungry JWs would read this and give it a fair reading.

I believe and know that there is no refutation for these Scriptures, I have demonstrated that the New Testament consistently reveals Jesus the Son of God to be Himself Jehovah God – one Person of three who are God, the only God. Check it out:

Hello again,

Yes, I remember the third passage. I’ll outline all three again:

1) John 12:40 is quoting Isaiah 6:10.

v. 41 is where we discussed the “who” of the pronoun – Jesus/Jehovah? I had shown that v. 42 clears it up: “many of the authorities believed in him (Jesus)”… just as the previous context had also shown in vv. 36-40. What I had asked you to look at for me is a new category that your literature seems to steer away from allowing – that Jesus and Jehovah are one being. In other words, John 12:41-42 seems to show us that Jesus, who is Jehovah, is yet also different from the Father, who is Jehovah. I see in your Watchtower literature that you are taught that this teaching is too complex to be true, but I would only ask, “can the infinite be understood comprehensively by the finite – His creatures?” If the answer is no, then the Watchtower literature seems to be making an assertion that cannot be supported with evidence from the Bible. That is why I asked you to look at this Scripture – I wonder if it shows a proof of something your religion cannot account for?

2) Despotes.

In Acts 4:24, the Bible clearly shows that the early Christians prayed “to God” and called Him “despotes, who made heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them.” Who is this despotes? Acts 4:24 shows us He is the Almighty God to whom we pray. The problem for the Watchtower literature is that Jude (Jesus’ half brother also born of Mary) in his letter, verse 4 says that Jesus is “our only despotes and Lord.” And in Revelation 6:10, all of heaven is praying to Him as “Sovereign Lord (Greek despotes).” Was Jude incorrect to say Jesus is our only despotes?

So my question was, why was the early congregation praying to Jesus and calling Him God? This matches Thomas’s worship in John 20:28 when he said to Jesus “my Lord and my God!” Notice that in verse 29, Jesus does not rebuke Thomas for worshiping Him and confessing that He is God – He says “You have believed because you have seen me, blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” That is my question for you – the early congregation of Apostles prayed to Jesus as the Sovereign God “despotes,” and He encouraged His disciples to call Him Lord and God. How does that square with the Watchtower literature I have been reading that says Jesus is a creature?

3) Hebrews 1:8-10

Here the author of Hebrews says about the Son in verse 10 “You, Lord, laid the foundation…” quoting Psalm 102:25 where the Psalmist has been praising Jehovah. In other words, the author of Hebrews, another early member of the Christian congregation, is attributing to Jesus the name of Jehovah. This matches Revelation 1:8 “I am the Al′pha and the O‧me′ga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.” So we see the New World Translation shows us that the Alpha and the Omega is Jehovah God.

So that would mean no one else could be the Alpha and the Omega, right? Therefore if Jesus is one being with Jehovah, and not a creature, He could share the name Alpha and Omega – as He does. Revelation 1:17-18 shows that Jesus is the First and the Last. But then in Revelation 22:12-13, we see Him say “I am the Al′pha and the O‧me′ga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

Can you see why I have these questions for the JW religion? Jehovah God and Jesus have the same titles and names, and Jesus accepts worship and prayers. John even says about Jesus that “All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.” If Watchtower literature were true and Jesus was an exalted creature, why does John say that apart from [Jesus] not even one thing came into existence? That only describes Almighty God. It seems Jesus is Himself Almighty God who became a man, subjecting Himself to the Father in all things. If something the Bible teaches us is difficult or if it corrects something we have believed, will we change our beliefs, or will we refuse to see it for what it is?

Danielle and I are here to listen to your answers, and to hopefully ask more questions.

Again, thank you so much for following up with me! It is rare to find people so willing and able to study the Bible with me 🙂

Have a great week.

-Adam

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29 thoughts on “How I Answered a Jehovah’s Witness Couple

  1. Jehovah and God may have similar or even the same tittles, but as there are many people in this world having the same tittles, but making them not the same person, Jesus (Jeshua) and Jehovah are not the same person, the first is the son of God and the Messiah who could not do anything without his Father, and the latter is the Only One God, Creator of everything, the Elohim Hashem Jehovah.

    God cannot die, cannot be seen or people would die, cannot be tempted, cannot sin and always speaks the truth.
    Jesus could be seen by many, though they did not fall death. Jesus was tempted more than once. He could sin but did not. Jesus really died, de did not fake his death. Jesus who was first lower than angels was made higher, though God was, is and always shall be the Most High. God also knows everything but Jesus did even not know when he was coming back to this earth. Now Jesus is seated next to God, not on His chair or throne, but at God’s Right Hand. Jesus is now also the mediator between God and men, in case he is God he could not mediate between himself and men.

    • I’ve heard about the Christadelphians. I see you’ve laid down a set of assertions here. It may be interesting to see you interact with the texts I cited above, rather than simply making arguments from rationalism – (i.e. you argue like a Muslim in asserting that Jesus could not be God in your last paragraph, but you’re not interacting with real Christian doctrine).

  2. Being a Christian means being a follower of Christ. The non-trinitarian Christians are following the teachings of Christ and take his words for true words. Jesus never claimed to be God and always wanted to do not his will but the will of his Father, the Only One God. If you mean by Christian doctrine, that are as it can show doctrinal thought which have nothing to do with the real Biblical teaching, where there is spoken of only One God about whom no pictures or statues may be made. We know of a lot of Christians who adhere the trinity doctrine but use crosses to pray for and have pictures of Jesus and of (their) god to whom they pray. Jesus learned his disciples and followers to pray to his Father and to praise His Name, Jehovah.

    • You’ve made another set of assertions, which is informative to know what your religion teaches, but you have not interacted with the texts cited in the post. The only way to have my attention, or that of any of the Christians who read this blog, would be to see you make a serious attempt to deal with the 3 points I made in the post. Thank you.

  3. As surely as the LORD Almighty lives, Justin, whom I serve, if I did not have respect for the presence of your visitor, I would not have troubled you further (recall, Luke 6:38 ). But now, this is what the LORD says:

    Nadert zodat ik je kan aanraken, mijn zoon, om te weten of je echt bent mijn zoon of niet. De stem is de stem van iemand die verbergt, maar de handen zijn de handen van Marcus’. Ik niet herken je, voor je handen (interacties) zijn als die van MA,;. Maar voor een zegen, vertel me alsjeblieft , bent u werkelijk mijn zoon?

    Want een Kind is ons geboren, een Zoon is ons gegeven, en de heerschappij is op Zijn schouder; en men noemt Zijn naam Wonderlijk, Raad, Sterke God, Vader der eeuwigheid, Vredevorst; Der grootheid dezer heerschappij en des vredes zal geen einde zijn op den troon van David en in zijn koninkrijk, om dat te bevestigen, en dat te sterken met gericht en met gerechtigheid, van nu aan tot in eeuwigheid toe. De ijver des HEEREN der heirscharen zal zulks doen.

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    • Very interesting that you yourself are not offering an interaction with the Bible teaching in the post. I thought those who had Truth do not flee from those in error? Who was it who fled when Jesus and Satan both quoted Scripture in the wilderness?

      • Get you answers from the “source” at wol.jw.org. Most questions can be answered there;)
        Very easy to navigate.
        My best to you in your search for answers.

      • Thanks, but here’s the thing: the “source” of truth is not a small group of interpreters in Brooklyn, Rome, or Salt Lake City. That’s always Satan’s game – to take the Word of God and set it below the word of men. For some reason, millions and billions would prefer to hear the doctrines and traditions of sinful men rather than the doctrines and traditions of God in His Word.

        If that’s you, then I pray the Lord would have grace to open your eyes. Have you tried to deal with the Scriptures indicated above in the post?

      • Dear Jwitness you say “Get you answers from the “source”” but is the source of knowledge not the bible? God has given us His Word and that is what we should follow. In it is clearly said by god that Jesus is His son. In those Greek books we also find that Jesus never claimed to be God but always said he could do nothing without his Father,the Only One God.
        In the older books of the Hebrew Scriptures it is also often made clear that we only have one Elohim, Ha-el (True God), Ha-Adhon (True Master), Hashem Jehovah God, who does not tell any lies. So in case we do follow the Words in the Holy Scriptures they would be clear enough to come to understanding.

        We do not need an organisation to present us with the only words to say. We have Christ as our High Priest and he has asked all his followers to go out in the world to witness and to tell others the Good News of the coming Kingdom of God.

        As you claim to be a Jehovah Witness, may I do hope you dare also to be a Witness for Jehovah. I have never been associated to the Jehovah Witnesses and am not connected to that Brooklyn organisation, though I do hope I also may witness for the only one God Jehovah and therefore shall try those who are blinded, like written about in many Old Testament books that we with the help of God may open their eyes. The only thing is that we may pray that God shall help us to do so.

        For the writer of this blog I do hope he will allow such an exchange of words, because only by talking to eachother and exchanging ideas eyes can be opened and people can brought to think. And nobody is excempt of keeping thinking, keeping studying and always taking up the Word of God, the Holy Scriptures to feed him or her.

        God bless you all.

    • Beste Don Chiechi u haalt het zelf aan “een Kind is ons geboren, een Zoon is ons gegeven” en hopelijk herinnert u zich dat enkele jaren later Jehovah God over dat kind zegt “Dit is mijn zoon, de geliefde”.
      “En zie, een stem uit de hemel sprak: Deze is mijn beminde Zoon, in wien Ik mijn welbehagen heb.” (Mattheüs 3:17 Canis)
      Zou die God liegen of Zijn eigen volk misleiden?

      Would God be telling lies when He speaks about the man in the river Jordan?

      “And lo, a voice came from Heaven, saying, “THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED.”” (Matthew 3:17 KJ21)

      En geloven wij dan niet dat God ons Zijn eniggeboren zoon heeft gegeven?
      “Want zo lief heeft God de wereld gehad, dat Hij zijn eengeboren Zoon heeft gegeven: opdat allen die in Hem geloven, niet verloren zouden gaan, maar het eeuwige leven zouden hebben.” (Johannes 3:16 Canis)

      “”For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16 KJ21)

      Ik ben geen Jehovah Getuige maar kan wel de Bijbel haar woorden volgen en probeer deze ook te bestuderen, zoals ook zij een poging doen om de bijbel naar goed vermogen te bestuderen. Ik daarentegen ga niet uit van door een Amerikaanse Genootschap bepaalde leerstelling maar lees wat er zwart op wit in het Woord van God staat.

      “34 De menigte antwoordde Hem: We hebben uit de Wet vernomen, dat de Christus in eeuwigheid blijft; en hoe zegt Gij dan, dat de Mensenzoon omhoog geheven moet worden? Wie is die Mensenzoon? 35 Jesus sprak tot hen: Nog een korte tijd is het licht in uw midden. Wandelt, zolang gij het licht hebt, opdat de duisternis u niet verrast; wie in de duisternis wandelt, weet niet, waar hij heengaat. 36 Zolang gij het licht hebt, gelooft in het licht, om kinderen des lichts te worden. Zo sprak Jesus; toen ging Hij heen, en verborg Zich voor hen. 37 Ofschoon Hij nu voor hun ogen zoveel tekenen had gewrocht, geloofden ze toch niet in Hem; 38 opdat het woord in vervulling zou gaan, dat de profeet Isaias gezegd heeft: “Heer, wie heeft onze prediking geloofd, En wien is de arm des Heren geopenbaard?” 39 Daarom konden ze zelfs niet geloven; want nog heeft Isaias gezegd: 40 “Hij heeft hun ogen verblind, En hun harten versteend; Opdat ze niet zouden zien met hun ogen, En niet verstaan met hun hart; Opdat zij zich niet zouden bekeren, En Ik hen zou genezen.” 41 Dit zei Isaias, toen hij zijn heerlijkheid had aanschouwd, en over Hem had gesproken. 42 Toch geloofden zelfs velen van de oversten in Hem, maar uit vrees voor de farizeën kwamen ze er niet voor uit, om niet uit de synagoge te worden gebannen. 43 Want ze waren meer gehecht aan de eer van de mensen, dan aan de eer, die van God komt. 44 Jesus nu heeft het luide verklaard: Wie in Mij gelooft, gelooft niet in Mij, maar in Hem, die Mij heeft gezonden. 45 En wie Mij ziet, ziet Hem, die Mij heeft gezonden. 46 Ik ben als een licht in de wereld gekomen, opdat niemand, die in Mij gelooft, in duisternis blijft. 47 Zo iemand mijn woorden hoort, maar ze niet onderhoudt, dan ben Ik het niet, die hem oordeel; want Ik ben niet gekomen, om de wereld te oordelen, maar om de wereld te redden. 48 Wie Mij verwerpt en mijn woorden niet aanneemt, heeft er een, die hem oordeelt; het woord, dat Ik sprak, dat zal hem oordelen op de jongste dag. 49 Want niet uit Mijzelf heb Ik gesproken, maar de Vader, die Mij gezonden heeft, Hijzelf heeft Mij geboden, wat Ik moest zeggen en spreken. 50 En Ik weet, dat zijn gebod het eeuwige leven is. Wat Ik dus spreek, spreek Ik zó, als de Vader het Mij heeft gezegd.” (Johannes 12:34-50 Canis)

      “34 The people answered Him, “We have heard from the law that Christ abideth for ever; and how sayest thou, ‘The Son of Man must be lifted up’? Who is this son of man?” 35 Then Jesus said unto them, “Yet a little while is the Light with you. Walk while ye have the Light, lest darkness come upon you; for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth. 36 While ye have Light, believe in the Light, that ye may be the children of Light.” These things spoke Jesus, and departed and hid Himself from them. 37 But though He had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not in Him, 38 that the saying of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke: “Lord, who hath believed our report? And to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?” 39 Therefore they could not believe, because as Isaiah said again: 40 “He hath blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.” 41 These things said Isaiah when he saw His glory and spoke of Him. 42 Nevertheless, among the chief rulers also, many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue; 43 for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God. 44 Jesus cried out and said, “He that believeth in Me, believeth not in Me, but in Him that sent Me. 45 And he that seeth Me, seeth Him that sent Me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth in Me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear My words and believe not, I judge him not; for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth Me and receiveth not My words, hath One that judgeth him; the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the Last Day. 49 For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father who sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His commandment is life everlasting. Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.”” (John 12:34-50 KJ21)

      Deze tekst gaat er over dat de mensne niet wilden geloven wie het geschonken licht aan de aarde was en dat er reeds vroegtijdig een voorspelling werd gegeven waarvan Jezus de Nazreen de verwerkelijking was. Jehovah heeft een openbaring gedaan maar niet iederen wilde die opmerken. Maar over die gekozen blindheid had de vroegere profeet ook de mensne ingelicht. Ook al konden velen de voornaamheid van de Nazareen opmerken en beseften zij wel dat het een rabbi nar de hand vna God was, wilden zij deze tochniet erkennen uit angst voor de Farizeën en om niet uit de synagoge gezet te worden. (verzen 42-43).

      Also today we do find the blindness by humans, like it was foretold by the prophet or manof God Isaiah. It is not different today when people are afraid to be thrown out of their denomination or out of their church, like at the time of Jesus many could see the importance of the Nazarene rabbi, but would not recognise that he was a man of God, because of the fear for the Farizees. (verses 42-43)

      “Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed in him?” (John 7:48 KJ21)

      “because by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed in Jesus.” (John 12:11 KJ21)

      “Heeft soms iemand van de overheden of van de farizeën in Hem geloofd?” (Johannes 7:48 Canis)

      “omdat veel Joden om hem afvielen en in Jesus geloofden.” (Johannes 12:11 Canis)

      Jesus who was the son of man but also the son of God, not like we are the son of God or the daughter of God, but he was specially placed in the womb of Mary (Miriam/Maria).

      Jezus was zowel zoon der mensen als zoon van god, maar neit in die mate dat wij zoon of dochter van God zijn, omdat wij beide wereldse ouders hebben terwijl Jezus op bijzondere wijze geplaatstisgeworden door zijn Vader in de moerbuik van Maria (Miriam).

      Het is niet omdat de meerderheid van de mensen de goddelijkheid wil omzetten tot het ‘God Zijn’ en Jezus niet willen aanvaarden als een mens van vlees en bloed die werkelijk gestorven is, terwijl God niet kan sterven, dat wij die meerderheid zo maar moeten volgen. Dat zou enkel getuigen van dat wij die mensen meer liefhebben dan de Ene Ware God, Jehovah.
      Laten wij echter niet onze mond gesnoerd houden zoals velen ten tijde van Jezus.
      “Maar niemand sprak publiek over Hem, uit vrees voor de Joden.” (Johannes 7:13 Canis)
      “Zo spraken zijn ouders uit vrees voor de Joden; want reeds waren de Joden overeengekomen, om iedereen uit de synagoge te bannen, die Hem als den Christus beleed.” (Johannes 9:22 Canis)

      “These words spoke his parents, because they feared the Jews; for the Jews had agreed already that if any man confessed that He was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.” (John 9:22 KJ21)

      “Yet no man spoke openly of Him for fear of the Jews.” (John 7:13 KJ21)

      Wij horen eer en erkenning van God te verwachten en hoeven daarom niet ons gebonden voelen met de merderheid vna de mensen, die uiteindelijk tochniet zal geloven. er zal slechts een kleine meerderheid de poort vanhet Koninkrijk Gods binnen treden.

      Jezus die nooit uit zichzelf sprak maar steeds de Woorden vna zijn Vader verkondigde is de man die wij horen te volgen om die nauwe poort te kunnen binnen gaan. zijn woorden horen wij te horen en op te volgen.

      “44 ¶ Jesus nu heeft het luide verklaard: Wie in Mij gelooft, gelooft niet in Mij, maar in Hem, die Mij heeft gezonden. 45 En wie Mij ziet, ziet Hem, die Mij heeft gezonden. 46 Ik ben als een licht in de wereld gekomen, opdat niemand, die in Mij gelooft, in duisternis blijft. 47 Zo iemand mijn woorden hoort, maar ze niet onderhoudt, dan ben Ik het niet, die hem oordeel; want Ik ben niet gekomen, om de wereld te oordelen, maar om de wereld te redden. 48 Wie Mij verwerpt en mijn woorden niet aanneemt, heeft er een, die hem oordeelt; het woord, dat Ik sprak, dat zal hem oordelen op de jongste dag. 49 Want niet uit Mijzelf heb Ik gesproken, maar de Vader, die Mij gezonden heeft, Hijzelf heeft Mij geboden, wat Ik moest zeggen en spreken. 50 En Ik weet, dat zijn gebod het eeuwige leven is. Wat Ik dus spreek, spreek Ik zó, als de Vader het Mij heeft gezegd.” (Johannes 12:44-50 Canis)

      “44 ¶ Jesus cried out and said, “He that believeth in Me, believeth not in Me, but in Him that sent Me. 45 And he that seeth Me, seeth Him that sent Me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth in Me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear My words and believe not, I judge him not; for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth Me and receiveth not My words, hath One that judgeth him; the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the Last Day. 49 For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father who sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His commandment is life everlasting. Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.”” (John 12:44-50 KJ21)

      Notice how Jesus who also never lied tells the onlookers he did not speak of his own but came to show the world the works of his Fath, whitout he could do nothing. Jesus say it was not him but his Father who decides what Jesus should tell.

      “Jesus answered them, “My doctrine is not Mine, but His that sent Me.” (John 7:16 KJ21)

      “26 I have many things to say and to judge of you, but He that sent Me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of Him.” 27 They understood not that He spoke to them of the Father. 28 Then said Jesus unto them, “When ye have lifted up the Son of Man, then shall ye know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father hath taught Me, I speak these things.” (John 8:26-28 KJ21)

      “I speak that which I have seen with My Father, and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.”” (John 8:38 KJ21)

      “Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of Myself; but the Father that dwelleth in Me, He doeth the works.” (John 14:10 KJ21)

      “He that loveth Me not, keepeth not My sayings. And the Word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.” (John 14:24 KJ21)

      “Jesus antwoordde hun en sprak: Mijn leer is niet van Mij, maar van Hem, die Mij gezonden heeft.” (Johannes 7:16 Canis)

      “26 Over uzelf zou Ik veel kunnen zeggen, en oordelen. Maar Ik spreek tot de wereld, wat Ik gehoord heb van Hem, die Mij gezonden heeft; en Deze is waarachtig. 27 Ze begrepen niet, dat Hij hun van den Vader sprak. 28 Jesus zeide hun dan: Wanneer gij den Mensenzoon omhoog zult hebben geheven, dan zult gij inzien, dat Ik het ben; en dat Ik niets doe uit Mijzelf, maar spreek, zoals de Vader Mij heeft geleerd.” (Johannes 8:26-28 Canis)

      “Ik spreek, wat Ik bij mijn Vader gezien heb; ook gij doet, wat gij van uw vader gehoord hebt.” (Johannes 8:38 Canis)

      “Gelooft gij dan niet, dat Ik in den Vader ben, en de Vader in Mij? De woorden, die Ik u toespreek, zeg Ik niet uit Mijzelf; het is de Vader, die in Mij blijft, die zelf de werken verricht.” (Johannes 14:10 Canis)

      “Wie Mij niet liefheeft, onderhoudt mijn woorden niet; welnu het woord, dat gij hoort, is niet het mijne, maar dat van den Vader, die Mij heeft gezonden.” (Johannes 14:24 Canis)

      Als onderdeel van het geplaatszijn in de moederschot van Maria had Jezus het DNA van zijn Vader, zoals ook wij van onze ouders eigenheden mee krijgen, maar dat maakt ons nog niet tot dezelfde persoon als onze ouders. Jezus heeft regelmatig herhaald dat hij het niet was die dingen deed ontstaan of waar maakte, maar dat hij slechts een uitvoerder was van zijn Vader, die er voor gezorgd had dat hij (Jezus die gezonden was door zijn Vader) die dingen hier op aarde kon zeggen en doen.

      De vraag om dit te beseffenis waar de verzen uit het evangelie van Johannes, aangehaald naar de Getuigen van Jehovah, op slaan.
      Willen wij dus blind zijn voor die zendingstaak van Jezus en voor zijn positie hier op arde, dit ter goedwil van de grote gemeenschap, of durven wij ons af te zonderen van de wereld en kiezen voor een minderheid in deze wereld die Jezus wil aanvaarden als de Heiland en onze enige redder in naam van God?

      • En Jezus, hem aanziende, beminde hem, en zeide tot hem: een ding ontbreekt u; doch gaat heen en leert, wat het zij: En buiten allen twijfel, de verborgenheid der godzaligheid is groot: God is geopenbaard in het vlees, is gerechtvaardigd in den Geest, is gezien van de engelen, is gepredikt onder de heidenen, is geloofd in de wereld, is opgenomen in heerlijkheid, opdat zij allen den Zoon eren, gelijk zij den Vader eren.

      • Yeah. There’s not an entire post above your comment. There’s not a post up there full of scriptural arguments to which you have yet to give a clear, interactive answer. That’s all I got.

      • What you have is a bunch of scriptures which ambiguously support your argument. I used a clear unabiguous scripture which contradicts your assertion that Jesus is God. If I am to believe your doctrine I have to assume scripture contradicts itself. Nevermind that Jesus prayed to God, stated he was inferior to God and is called a creation. As to your 2000 years of Christianity, The Trinity is more like 1500 years old and arrived after the death of the apostles, which Paul said whould be followed by apostasy. Mark 7:13 – “thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

      • Sir,
        Please, if you are confident in your reading of God’s Word, simply explain to me how the three passages above are interpreted. Why is it that John attributes to Jesus the same deity as the Father, even though in His humanity He willingly became lower than the Father? Please give us the proper interpretation of John 1:1-3. Please give us an explanation of Thomas’ worship of Jesus to which Jesus gives approval.

        Please explain why Jesus is called the despot even though that is a title of Almighty God alone. Please explain why in Revelation 1 and 22 Jesus is attributed the same title of Almighty Jehovah. Please explain why “all creatures” are worshiping the Lamb in Rev. 5 if Jesus is a creature.

        You see, I am asking you to give us clear explanation of Scripture. You seem to be misinformed about the doctrine of the trinity and the incarnation. Do you know that Christians believe Jesus to have been fully man while being fully God? That it is fully in concert with the deity of Christ for Him as a man to have prayed to the Father “His God”? Do you know that in what theologians call the “economy of the trinity,” that Jesus the Son is co-eternal and of the same nature as the Father and the Holy Spirit, yet each have different roles they play in the covenant of salvation?

        Your words above seem to indicate perhaps you are unaware of these things. That is nothing to be ashamed of – we all have much to learn. Just realize – you have to make clear interpretation of the Scriptures I have presented in order to gain a full hearing with the readers of this blog, my friend.

    • Ja wij zien de openbaring van God in Christus, maar dat betekend nog niet dat Christus Jezus God is. Ook in de planten en dieren rondom ons zien wij de openbaring van God. door het spreken van Jezus en door zijn handelingen verklaart Jezus de boodschap van God en verheldert hij Gods Woorden. God heeft Zijn zoon in een vrouwmens geplaatst, zo dat toen het kind de baarmoeder verliet die plaatsing van Gods zoon in het vlees kwam.

      Het is een misverstand te denken dat niet-trinitariërs de zoon niet zouden eren. Ook zij geven de zoon eer, maar enkel zoals hem eer toe komt. Hij, Jezus, wist niet alles en kon niet alles doen, maar zijn Vader weet alles en kan alles en verdient ook de allerhoogste eer. Niet-trinitariërs die geloven in de Ene ware God geven dan ook de volle eer aan de Allerhoogste. Aan Jezus die voor hij stierf lager was dan de engelen (herinner dat God altijd de Allerhoogste is geweest), na zijn dood verhoogd werd en zo hoger werd dan de engelen maar nog steeds lager dan God bleef, om naast Hem in de hemel te zetelen aan Zijn Rechterhand om tussen God de Vader te bemiddelen voor ons.

      “En gij, Betlehem Efrata, al zijt gij klein onder de geslachten van Juda, uit u zal Mij voortkomen die een heerser zal zijn over Israel en wiens oorsprong is van ouds, van de dagen der eeuwigheid.” (Micha 5:2 NBG51)

      “Maar toen de volheid des tijds gekomen was, heeft God zijn Zoon uitgezonden, geboren uit een vrouw, geboren onder de wet,” (Galaten 4:4 NBG51)

      “30 En de engel zeide tot haar: Wees niet bevreesd, Maria; want gij hebt genade gevonden bij God. 31 En zie, gij zult zwanger worden en een zoon baren, en gij zult Hem de naam Jezus geven. 32 Deze zal groot zijn en Zoon des Allerhoogsten genoemd worden, en de Here God zal Hem de troon van zijn vader David geven, 33 en Hij zal als koning over het huis van Jakob heersen tot in eeuwigheid, en zijn koningschap zal geen einde nemen. 34 En Maria zeide tot de engel: Hoe zal dat geschieden, daar ik geen omgang met een man heb? 35 En de engel antwoordde en zeide tot haar: De Heilige Geest zal over u komen en de kracht des Allerhoogsten zal u overschaduwen; daarom zal ook het heilige, dat verwekt wordt, Zoon Gods genoemd worden.” (Lukas 1:30-35 NBG51)

      “21 ¶ En het geschiedde, terwijl al het volk gedoopt werd, dat, toen ook Jezus gedoopt werd en in gebed was, de hemel zich opende, 22 en de Heilige Geest in lichamelijke gedaante als een duif op Hem nederdaalde, en dat er een stem kwam uit de hemel: Gij zijt mijn Zoon, de geliefde, in U heb Ik mijn welbehagen. 23 En Hij, Jezus, was, toen Hij optrad, ongeveer dertig jaar, een zoon, naar men meende, van Jozef, de zoon van Eli,” (Lukas 3:21-23 NBG51)

      “maar wij zien Jezus, die voor een korte tijd beneden de engelen gesteld was vanwege het lijden des doods, opdat Hij door de genade Gods voor een ieder de dood zou smaken, met heerlijkheid en eer gekroond.” (Hebreeën 2:9 NBG51)

      “Daar nu de kinderen aan bloed en vlees deel hebben, heeft ook Hij op gelijke wijze daaraan deel gekregen, opdat Hij door zijn dood hem, die de macht over de dood had, de duivel, zou onttronen,” (Hebreeën 2:14 NBG51)

      “Daarom moest Hij in alle opzichten aan zijn broeders gelijk worden, opdat Hij een barmhartig en getrouw hogepriester zou worden bij God, om de zonden van het volk te verzoenen.” (Hebreeën 2:17 NBG51)

      “En ik zag en zie, een witte wolk, en op de wolk iemand gezeten als eens mensen zoon met een gouden kroon op zijn hoofd en een scherpe sikkel in zijn hand.” (Openbaring 14:14 NBG51)

      “dat tot u gekomen is. Immers, in de gehele wereld draagt het vrucht en wast het op, zoals ook bij u, sedert de dag, dat gij het gehoord hebt en de genade Gods in waarheid hebt leren kennen;” (Colossenzen 1:6 NBG51)

      “Want alzo lief heeft God de wereld gehad, dat Hij zijn eniggeboren Zoon gegeven heeft, opdat een ieder, die in Hem gelooft, niet verloren ga, maar eeuwig leven hebbe.” (Johannes 3:16 NBG51)

      “Jezus dan antwoordde en zeide tot hen: Voorwaar, voorwaar, Ik zeg u, de Zoon kan niets doen van Zichzelf, of Hij moet het de Vader zien doen; want wat deze doet, dat doet ook de Zoon evenzo.” (Johannes 5:19 NBG51)

      “Gij hebt gehoord, dat Ik tot u gezegd heb; Ik ga heen en kom tot u. Indien gij Mij liefhadt, zoudt gij u verblijd hebben, omdat Ik tot de Vader ga, want de Vader is meer dan Ik.” (Johannes 14:28 NBG51)

      “5 Laat die gezindheid bij u zijn, welke ook in Christus Jezus was, 6 die, in de gestalte Gods zijnde, het Gode gelijk zijn niet als een roof heeft geacht, 7 maar Zichzelf ontledigd heeft, en de gestalte van een dienstknecht heeft aangenomen, en aan de mensen gelijk geworden is. 8 En in zijn uiterlijk als een mens bevonden, heeft Hij Zich vernederd en is gehoorzaam geworden tot de dood, ja, tot de dood des kruises.” (Filippenzen 2:5-8 NBG51)

      “Ik wil echter, dat gij dit weet: het hoofd van iedere man is Christus, het hoofd der vrouw is de man, en het hoofd van Christus is God.” (1 Corinthiërs 11:3 NBG51)

      “Wanneer alles Hem onderworpen is, zal ook de Zoon zelf Zich aan Hem onderwerpen, die Hem alles onderworpen heeft, opdat God zij alles in allen.” (1 Corinthiërs 15:28 NBG51)

      “Toen zeide Jezus tot hem: Ga weg, satan! Er staat immers geschreven: De Here, uw God, zult gij aanbidden en Hem alleen dienen.” (Mattheüs 4:10 NBG51)

      “Jezus zeide tot haar: Houd Mij niet vast, want Ik ben nog niet opgevaren naar de Vader; maar ga naar mijn broeders en zeg hun: Ik vaar op naar mijn Vader en uw Vader, naar mijn God en uw God.” (Johannes 20:17 NBG51)

      “23 maar de ure komt en is nu, dat de waarachtige aanbidders de Vader aanbidden zullen in geest en in waarheid; want de Vader zoekt zulke aanbidders; 24 God is geest en wie Hem aanbidden, moeten aanbidden in geest en in waarheid.” (Johannes 4:23-24 NBG51)

      “Maar hij, vol van de heilige Geest, sloeg de ogen ten hemel en zag de heerlijkheid Gods en Jezus, staande ter rechterhand Gods,” (Handelingen 7:55 NBG51)

      “deze echter is, na een offer voor de zonden te hebben gebracht, voor altijd gezeten aan de rechterhand van God,” (Hebreeën 10:12 NBG51)

      For the English readers to take in account:

      “”But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, [Too] little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.”” (Micah 5:2 NAS95)

      “But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,” (Galatians 4:4 NAS95)

      “30 The angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. 31 “And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. 32 “He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; 33 and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.” 34 Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I am a virgin?” 35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:30-35 NAS95)

      “21 ¶ Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus was also baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, 22 and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.” 23 When He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, being, as was supposed, the son of Joseph, the son of Eli,” (Luke 3:21-23 NAS95)

      “But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, [namely,] Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.” (Hebrews 2:9 NAS95)

      “Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,” (Hebrews 2:14 NAS95)

      “Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.” (Hebrews 2:17 NAS95)

      “Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud [was] one like a son of man, having a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand.” (Revelation 14:14 NAS95)

      “which has come to you, just as in all the world also it is constantly bearing fruit and increasing, even as [it has been doing] in you also since the day you heard [of it] and understood the grace of God in truth;” (Colossians 1:6 NAS95)

      “”For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.” (John 3:16 NAS95)

      “Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless [it is] something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.” (John 5:19 NAS95)

      “”You heard that I said to you, ’I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28 NAS95)

      “5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, [and] being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.” (Philippians 2:5-8 NAS95)

      “But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 11:3 NAS95)

      “When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.” (1 Corinthians 15:28 NAS95)

      “Then Jesus *said to him, “Go, Satan! For it is written, ’YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.’”” (Matthew 4:10 NAS95)

      “Jesus *said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ’I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’”” (John 20:17 NAS95)

      “23 “But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24 “God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”” (John 4:23-24 NAS95)

      “But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God;” (Acts 7:55 NAS95)

      “but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,” (Hebrews 10:12 NAS95)

      Non-trinitarians do not deny the divinity of Jesus. He was the divine son of God and as such he beared elements of his Father, like any child carries elements of his or her worldly parents. It also does not mean that they would not give honour to Jesus. They know that honour is due also to the son of God, but always lesser than to the most Hogh God, the Father of us and Father of Jesu, to whom Jesus sits at the right hand and not on the throne of the Most High who knows everything, while Jesus even did not know when he was going to return to the earth. Now Jesus is also made higher than the angels while God is and always has been the Most High. Jesus is also now the mediator between God and men. A person cannot mediate between himself, does he?

      • Indeed, Marcus, is not the fear of the Lord the beginning (and end) of wisdom? Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! For we are left to choose then which (doctrine) is less offensive: to worship Jesus as fully God (Trinitarian), or to worship Jesus, along with God (Non-trinitarian). In the manner of men I speak, because of the weakness of our flesh. For the one who command us : “Do not worship any other gods or bow down to them, serve them or sacrifice to them.” is indeed a consuming fire. But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of those who honor Him with their lips, but their hearts are far from Him, which Jesus also hates. Therefore, I urge us, in view of God’s mercy, let us offer our bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God–this is our true and proper worship. Amen.

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  6. Hi Justin,
    The above comments demonstrate how strong the spirit of religion can grips man and how it robs the victims of all ability (or willingness) to investigate the Bible themselves and to make their own judgements and conclusions vis-à-vis what the bible actually says and means, as opposed to that which their cult or denomination says it means.
    Each time I am told I am “unbiblical,” the accuser really means that what I have said does not align with their teacher’s view of the Bible. Experience shows that it is pointless discussing the matter further since they have never studied it themselves, so have nothing to support their personal attack or fit of pique.
    Nice article Justin. Simple, succinct and sufficient. One final point – did the JW’s reply or respond at all?
    Blessings, Angus

    • Thank you, I hope it encourages Christians to learn apologetic answers for JWs. I would only say to you, myself, and all believers: remember that the power of the gospel is above and beyond the power of Satan to hold people in mind-control false doctrine. When we give people God’s Word and gospel, we apply a very powerful weapon against the strongholds of lies they are under.

      And Angus, I have not heard back yet, but I expect something. They are a very confident couple. Pray for them and us please.

      Grace,
      Justin

  7. “And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which saith, ‘By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive.” (Matthew 13:14 KJ21)

    Today still many Christians do not understand the position of the son . Because they do not want to accept that a man could be choosing to follow the commandments of the only One God Jehovah and succeed not to sin. it is said of Pharaoh that “God hardened his heart,” but it is also said that “Pharaoh hardened his heart.” He chose, in the exercise of his voluntary agency, to harden his heart, but it is God’s law that those who harden their hearts shall be hardened, and hence God, by this law, hardened his heart. We as Christians do we want to accept that it was really a man of flesh and blood who really could die, while God cannot die, who gave his full body (body and soul) to his Father for the sins of all?
    Christ his power is not innated but authority and power are given by his Father.
    “as Thou hast given Him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as Thou hast given Him.” (John 17:2 KJ21)

    “And now, O Father, glorify Thou Me with Thine own Self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.” (John 17:5 KJ21)

    God had foreseen in His divine plan that there would come a Saviour. In the prophetic testimony we hear of the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow.“These things said Isaiah when he saw His glory and spoke of Him.” (John 12:41 KJ21)

    “searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them had signified when He testified beforehand of the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow.” (1 Peter 1:11 KJ21)

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  10. very well put… I like how you correctly insist everyone answer the points you raise from the BIBLE, and how you notice they’re quick to dodge the issue and simply post more verses that they don’t understand to begin with.
    I would continue in that manner. Keep insisting everyone answer the points you’ve raised… which none of them have attempted, I notice!

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